Let me give my 2 sen as a resident and owner.

Change is always painful. No one wants to be inconvenienced and we are by nature selfish, always thinking of ourselves only. That is why we are human.

Many things like CCTV camera etc can be installed. Are we willing to pay more than the 17 sen we are required to now? We cannot have first class service by paying pittance. If you dont believe me just check around. I was shocked and speechless what some other condos with much less facilities are charging!

Its been more than a decade now that we are living peacefully and suddenly our lifes are changed. We are treated with more rules and we dont need none of that! We are adults and we are not kids. I want to say this. When we live in a community we cannot run away from rules which govern the peaceful living of everyone. We cannot simply pick and choose what we want . That we can do if we are living in isolation. I want to say this and please hear me loud and clear. We are no better than residents of San Peng flats if we cannot learn to live as a community that care for each other. You think we have too much rules? Check out Mont Kiara, Tropicanna, Sierra Mas and Valencia. Rules made for the benefit of all residents made those addresses valued property. I dont mind more rules if we can increase the value of my property close to that of those I have mentioned above.

Now please let me try to answer some of the issues brought up.

We must not lose sight that SECURITY is probably the main reason why we chose to stay in a gated community. For as long as I can remember, the security in this condo has been in shambles. Why do you think this is a haven for loan sharks, contraband dealers, drug dealers (amphithemine pills) and hookers from China? The reason is simple. Security has been slacked and there was nothig done about it. Are you aware that in B1 five units were broken in within a span of two weeks? There were so many stickers of plumbers, locksmiths etc stuck on lifts and in front of units? Look at your entrance. Some units have chinese writings with dates scribbled inconspicuously (you dont realise it until you scrutinise your entrance closely) with writing "XYZ was here on this date". For your information, they are not loansharks but the small writings were made by people who were checking the movements of the residents n those units. In just a matter of time those units were broken into.

Do we want to wait for one of our loved ones to be raped, killed or beaten up? Do we want to wait for our unit to be broken into? Have you experienced the trauma and bitterness of haveing your unit being broken into, less your loved ones being harmed physically. Do we need this hanging over our head when we are out trying to bring home the bacon?

We can demand a lot from the JMC but we must not forget that the JMC are one of us. They are not paid and they are doing what some of us are not willing to. I am sure they have better things to do with their time than to do what they are doing. If you turn left you get shot, if you turn right you get fired...and all this for nothing! They could as well spend more time with their family.

The Committee are not getting a single sen and we should always remember that before we shoot. We can for a start learn to be a little tactful. We can request and ask. We can try to find out more about the mechanics and the workings of the Committee but I dont know if we should demand this and that. I always remind myself that the Committee owe me nothing. I should offer myself as a candidate if I want to make the difference. Otherwise I shall as what I am doing now...sit back, let the Committeee do their job and if I am not happy boot them out when the next AGM comes.

But for the time being I would give them some time.

YOU CANNOT REVERSE THE DAMAGED DONE FOR A DECADE IN MONTHS!!!!!

Regarding the so called threats by the JMC, please let me offer my humblest observation. I like to say this again and again. We are human and like all, we will not do anything unless there is a little nudge. You need not agree with me but you should just stand in front of the guard house to see this for yourself. Most of those who have not obtained their resident card are students. Until they are so inconvenienced by having to register to go out and come into the condo will they get their resident cards. Just to digress a little bit....Until the authorities decide to tow away some cars parked along the road will the car owners decide they are not only inconveniencing other road users, they are also putting others in danger by trying to save their money (Again, human being human will always think of what is good for themselves ony. It doesnt matter if others have to suffer for their doings).

I am not a sympathiser of the JMC. But I commend what they are doing. I salute them for taking the nonsense from the rest of us who just sit down and criticise.

For the rest of us, I have a suggestion. Let us give the JMC our support. If we cannot give our time and effort, let us try to give them some morale boosting support. Let them know that we appreciate the effort they are putting in.

Now before you think I am one of them, let me tell you what is our insurance. If they do not what we expect, we can boot them out in the next AGM. Then we can get ourselves elected and do a better job.

And on transparency, the Act spells that out very clearly. And frankly, I dont see why anyone working for free would want to invite trouble and land himself or herself in jail for CBT.

Thanks for reading my humble thought of 2 sen

had you actually read my post properly you would know that my questions and reasons behind opposing this implementation is based on how the committee is going about it.

Now is the committee there to decide on issues without our feedback? That's no different than certain quarters of the gov aint it? I can't help but think of the word "dictatorship"

FYI, I lived in other apartments/condos and gated landed properties before, and this condo, by far is the worst when it comes to informing the residents on usage of sinking funds, maintenance fees and etc.

Now to the ACT you were so aptly referring too, are you telling me as a resident, whereby I am paying for a service, in short its like a buyer seller concept, I am not allowed to know my money's worth? especially when I see there's hardly any changes ever since I stayed over the span of a couple of years. A breakdown of it will help, maybe in monthly reports or yearly if you must.

Now bear in mind the feedback was gathered through what is called CENSUS forms, what is wrong with informing the residents that the majority has actually agreed to a certain implementation? From the way I see it, divulging the information will actually help residents to understand the implementation more than anything else. If the majority agrees I don't see a reason to oppose to this. And when I say divulge, I don't want to know who agrees with what, and so on, I want to know how many have agreed and so on. Heck I will even exploit this, given the chance, coz human beings tend to have what we all call herd mentality. Show them majority agrees and the rest will follow suit. Very easy to mitigate grouses.

And the other thing, I myself witnessed several residents who refused to register upon entering the grounds, and argued with rather valid points such as " I didn't agree to this, why should I do this", " Why should I do something that just provide a false sense of security" and etc. Heck THIS is a false sense of security. You are telling me that by implementing this, it will help curb crime?

I can come up with a dozen ways of taking advantage of this system.

1. The registration done by the security firm, all I need to do is go through the book, and voila I will have a hell lot of information on the residents. As in what time they'll come in, and estimation of how many tenants, the patterns of the residents, etc.

2. All I need to do is enter the grounds with a valid transport with the condo sticker, nobody is going to stop me right?

3. Heck I can even walk in and just talk down or refused to sign or show my ID and thats it I'm in the grounds.

4. Who can vouch that whatever residents registering upon entering the grounds is valid?

5. Most crimes are done by RESIDENTS themselves. Oh the horrors of it all. Face it, we have a high turnover on tenants here in VK, who's to know what they do, who's to know that they've been observing their neighbours for the right time to strike? Bear in mind, in a lot of cases theft, rape and etc are done by ppl who are living in close proximity with you.

As for that rather tactless remark on whether have I experience the trauma of having my own home being broke into? I have, and in fact when we found out who it was, it just proves the point that the perp is within our own community, in such close proximity, and have been monitoring our every movements.

Basically don't implement rather redundant procedures as safety measures. It is a waste of money. I don't mind spending more if I have the assurance that it will at least help mitigate the problems, but that's me. That is why the feedbacks of the residents should be taken BEFORE the process of implementing a change starts.

For the time being what's happening in Parcel B, is more towards decisions being done without taking our feedback into note. As you have so aptly said, JMC is one of us. Then they should know better how residents feel upon such things.

They're elected to represent us, and yes without being paid. But at least be abit presentable while they're at it, we already have to put up with racist and uncalled for remarks from our own gov, is that reason enough that they can't be more eloquent in explaining the situation, as opposed to sounding 'threatening'.

you still don't see the point I'm trying to make that the committee did not take our consultation first.

Again for the umpteenth time, the census/feedback forms were issue out after they have started implementing the change. AFTER, not before.

Now can you honestly tell me that this is a way of consulting us the residents first? Wow, I wasn't aware that they were able to read minds.

I have nothing against change, change is good, provided it's not redundant and provides several loopholes to what you think are safety measures.

This is redundant, plus how can you trust outsiders to manage the registration of all residents without cards, heck if I were put in that position I'll sell that sort of information to the highest bidder.

Also, the last cheque I wrote out was to the committee for maintenance. Now, due to my profession, I am a person who's very wary of people. And that is still an understatement. I am the kind of person who believes in making a full worth out of one's pennies and cents. And I also believe that people in power tends to squander on money, especially when it's not theirs. So humor me, and I believe many others on the breakdown of the usage of funds.

The committee is also supposed to be able to take constructive or non constructive criticisms from other ppl too right?

When I bought this place, I am fully aware of it's condition, when the committee was formed I was elated, coz at long last someone to represent us, to try to make this place better, someone who's actually is taking notes of our feedback and grouses or whatever else you want to call it. Basically to be our voice and also hear us out.

But this has all changed, why? Simple, census forms given out AFTER the process of implementation. I am not stupid enough to think that it meant something, the fact remains, the cycle of how change should be implemented was not followed through properly. And that is why I am saying over and over again, NO CONSULTATION was done properly.

Heck, even after I have stated some very obvious ways people can exploit the usage of resident cards, you choose to ignore those and yet kept on championing the committee. I want hard rebuttals and reasonings, not reasons such as they're human and etc. Yes I might sound harsh, but heck if trying to convey out the reasons of me making a fuss to certain quarters is not working, then I might as well as be bluntly honest about what I want right?

"Also, the last cheque I wrote out was to the committee for maintenance. Now, due to my profession, I am a person who's very wary of people. And that is still an understatement. I am the kind of person who believes in making a full worth out of one's pennies and cents. And I also believe that people in power tends to squander on money, especially when it's not theirs. So humor me, and I believe many others on the breakdown of the usage of funds."

I strongly suggest you offer yourself to be one of the Committee Member. But maybe you would not because you probably will squander the money as well.

What is your suggestion my friend? May I suggest that you offer some solution. Do you not agree that there are also thieves from outside? That the id will deter (not total elimination) these undesirable elements?

Please go read the Act and maybe you will get a better understanding of what the JMC and JMB is all about. Your payment was to JMB not JMC and I suggest you try to understand who is the JMB!

Chin Wan,
What we are asked to carry is just a laminated identification card with a photo, the size of a credit card.

FYI, I don't easily back off like the person who went against you on the second parking bit in this forums either.

I can't help but be very amused with the replies, as much as I find the ID cards amusing. Seriously, to have every single thing that I have predicted that will happen, to actually happen.

That aside, for your 1st paragraph, there is no need to be evasive on whether you are a part of another committee or not. I know you are, in fact I know which parcel you are representing. No, no, nobody has to even agree with me, but I was taught to fight for what I believe in. You don't have to agree with me, it doesn't matter to me whether you do or don't. But if you do, like other normal ppl would when they agree, they will always have something to say as opposed to "What I did not comment means I agree". That's just another way of neither neighing or aye-ing.

As for your second paragraph, I have read all the things you have written, and in fact I have even backed off on the whole payment bit, stating it might be my bad, but I'll check on it, I don't keep mum to convey my agreement.

Now your third paragraph, as to my age, well now, wouldn't it be fun if you were able to guess, would it? Through history and time, we have all learn of ppl in power, through history and time it has been proven over and over again that ppl in power are corrupted, now what has history taught all of us then? To be wary of people with a substantial amount of power. But then again, as they said, History repeats itself. So am I wrong to be wary of ppl in power, I don't think so.

Now for this statement;
People are flashing what looks like a resident card but is not (Did you report this to the Management? Why do you condone all this nonsense? As a responsible resident we should. report the guard to the Management.)
Hmmm, why do I condone, I know, coz I don't agree with this implementation ( due to it's redundancy), and yes, it's amusing to see that what I have foreseen, actually happens. While we are on this topic too, residents are walking in after midnight, without even having to register or flash their cards, coz the guards just don't bother. To quote another resident here, "Ala they all hangat hangat tahi ayam aje, in a few weeks time you see lah whether it will still be enforced properly or not ".

Now for this statement:
Everyone is not happy with the resident card. (How many?)
Please refer back to the issue of the census form not being done, before the implementation has started. It's not our fault we are not happy, committee didn't do census first, how to tell lah we not happy. Do census only after starting the process.

Now as for this paragraph,

Since you are so unhappy may I humbly offer you a few suggestion:
1) If you think you have the numbers (which you should have from your statements that many or everyone is not happy with the resident card), requisite for an EGM. (If you need to know how to do it I can help you with the legal background I have)
Again numbers of unhappy ppl should be taken by the committee through the census forms(which was not done properly). Don't try to taichi the job of getting feedbacks from ppl to me, not my job to clean up somebody's mess.

2) Write to the Commisioner of Buildings. Writing here wont help. You are just wasting your time.

Oh this one I already know, but I find it amusing nevertheless. Writing to the commisioner would be my last resort.

3) Offer your suggestions and alternatives on what is to be used to replace the resident card. Please dont just complain.

CCTV on all lifts, instead of a laminated access card, have proper access cards granting proper access. Hire more competent guards, rather then the ones lazing around and sleeping on the job. Aiya, still back to census form issue lah, if committee has done census form earlier before doing this, all of this could've been avoided.

4) sell off your property and move elsewhere where you can tolerate the rules of the condominium or

Now that's an idea, a good one I might add. But why should I move just bcoz logically of one silly redundant implementation.

5) Shut up , stay put, put up with this nonsense and suffer in silence.

Suffer in silence, seems to be your favourite phrase. I'm not suffering in silence, I find this all amusing, coz I find how ppl react to this is amusing, it ranges from somewhat fundie-like to somewhat lackadaisical type. I get pissed off yes, I'll get riled over defending my rights, but I am honest to god very amused with how things turn out for example, the ID cards. Heck I'm even smirking while replying to this.

Now, the flaws with the system.

1. Guards are too duuh or lazy or just couldnt care less to check.
2. The registration book on several occasions has been flipped through by ppl(residents and visitors alike). When I say flipped through, I meant, ppl actually read the registration book. In fact I saw a guy who's not part of our security outfit, reading and pointing at some parts of the book with another guy.
3. Residents without cards walks in and totally ignores the guards requesting them to register.
4. The illusion of being secured, will make the residents more lax thinking that they're secured, and not take the normal ordinarily extra precautions they do, just because of the false sense of security.

It's a redundant system, say someone's unit got broke into, what are the cards role in this? What can the card provide? What kind of security measures is the card providing when all the flaws are happening now?